Okay. Had a chance to read your entire response. Great stuff.
First, let me lay the "eradication" thing to rest. I see your point
about subtlety. In fact, we agree on this. Perhaps I should have said
that mass extermination of blacks and homosexuals is not conducive to the
current trend. Black culture has, thankfully, settled pretty well in our
society, becoming less and less "alien" (and therefore more acceptable by
even the more closed-minded).
But I think a...vendetta, if you will, exists against blacks who ripple
the waters contrary to the politicians' plans. Meaning: outspoken blacks
are tolerated only if they march to the appropriate drummer. For a
conservative black man or woman is, very obviously, scorned by mainstream
media and divisive politicians. Now, if we're all equal, then I should
think a black person should have the right to adopt any ideology he/she
wishes. That is not the case in PC America. It really isn't. An
assertive, responsible black American is a threat to the "order", it
seems. Of course the degradation of the culture is accepted by power
mongers, because it weakens integrity, worth, and volition! (Screw
Also, I think there exists a sneaky acceptance (even nurturing) of black
violence---sort of a "let 'em kill each other off" mentality. That might
be understandable if it means that only criminal thugs off themselves
(black OR white), but that's not reality. Just because a bunch of rabid
dogs are at each other's throats doesn't mean a child won't get bitten.
The violence spreads. It leaks into innocent areas, corrupts
foundations, pollutes noble cultures. The "inner city" dilemma today is
a bleeding (literally) example of a culture assaulted---from within and
without: a culture full of wonderful contributions, ideas, and nuances
being blown to bits by negativity, thug-worship, perpetual crime, and a
political structure based on conflict among peoples. A tragedy, through
and through. So, we might agree more than it seems on that issue.
Besides, the bottom line is this: Punish the criminals (of any race or
creed) and allow the innocent to protect themselves and pursue better
things. The rub is this: crumbling justice ruins this. Only a just law
system can (at least satisfactorily) fight crime. And we both know just
law is both crumbling AND it's not even believed in by more people every
Regardless of the color, we are humans. And as humans, we ALL deserve
dignity and justice. So, I'll leave that subject to rest as far as our
I also agree with your view of the Nazis. They were less political and
more...about power and destiny. They mirrored much of Roman imperialism.
But I must remain certain that they were socialists who believed in
centralized (actually monarchical) rule. And the Jews were their
sacrifice. Just as double, triple, quadruple numbers of others were the
sacrifices of other sick, hateful demons in history. The scourge in
France we touched on was also sick and hateful. Some accounts on the
terror are bestial. Murder in the name of movements or cleansing or
purging is unjustified as far as I'm concerned.
I understand Moore's implication about Norsefire. I just think it's high
time writers migrated from that unlikely formula for the
present---because a different (yet frightfully similar) and worse
scenario is very possible in the future. I just read an article covering
the killings in Angola: butchery of Christians and anti-communists. The
photos were...horrific. The bodies looked like battered lumps of old
laundry. Now, there isn't a slaughtering of...atheists and communists
evident on the world today. I find that interesting. Add China and
North Korea and Indonesia and Russia...a storm's brewin'---and it doesn't
look like Moore's England anymore.
Remember, this in no way reflects on my love of Moore's work. In fact, I
treasure it. His overall themes are the important parts, really.
Earlier I wrote you about the hate thing. Hatred is destructive, but the
abuse of the term "hatred" is also destructive. Today, a politician only
needs to utter some magic buzz words and the nation flips! Some of the
magic terms for manipulation, smearing, or shutting down of real debate
are: "racist", "bigot", "homophobe", "redneck", "hate monger", etc.
Those in power can exploit the use of these terms to discriminate against
a way of thinking, a culture, or a political adversary. It is quite
harmful. Just as fake sexual harassment can be brought against a teacher
some girls might dislike (or who gave them a bad grade, etc.), so can
WORDS be wielded as vengeful tools.
"Hate" trivialized trivializes love. Because in a nation where next to
everything is deemed "hate" if it conflicts with either the tyranny of the
majority or a political ideology, love becomes a shield against rejection
or accusation. So, "love" can also be faked to ensure one's "success" in
a nation devoid of honest debate or opinion. Most of the politicians who
rave about "caring" and "democracy" and "peace" are part of the machine
that causes hatred, totalitarianism, and war. Not since the 1960s has
America been so nerve-racked over race. And today's leadership is the
possibly the worst yet in this nation. Screw the economy. It's the
structure I worry about. Funny how the Bill of Rights has become a
flimsy text---with only the 1st amendment as the sacred right (IF it
defends the "accepted" agenda). Also, remember what I said about that
bum Nero. He spread the lie that early Christians were "hateful" and
justified their torture and destruction. This is historically correct.
And it's the oldest trick in the despots' book.
I can go on forever. Which I will not do.
I'm afraid I veered from the path once again. But I think it really
praises Moore's work each time I do. For this line of discussion stems
from V For Vendetta (and Watchmen).
Your thoughts on Delia were insightful . . . and, I think, true. She seems
to have wanted to die. But if I were V, I would not have killed her even
then. V shouldn't be for vengeance. Then again, V is surely mad in many
ways. He'd be a great friend and a terrible enemy.
You also made me think with your theory of V's desire to die also. I
always yelled at V when Finch shot him: "You idiot! Why?" I'm reminded
of many folk's frustration with the part where Christ allowed himself to
be executed in such a degrading way. Or why so many of our movie heroes
accept death peacefully while his/her friends moan and cry and don't
understand. Or . . . like Frosty the Snowman's acceptance of summer thaws.
But, as you said there's room for expansion on this. I shall respond
I'm enjoying our talks more and...Moore each time. Thanks again.
Looking forward to the next round. (And I'll try to expand on the
Delia/Finch/V thing you posited.